Constantine

A while back, I joined the “de-Conversion Forum“. It is a forum dedicated to those who have “deconverted” from their religions. Some have become agnostic, some athiest, some merely doubt. A very diverse and interesting crowd, they welcomed me.

On my introductory thread, one member (after having read my “Letter to My Mother” had a problem with one of my statements.

Leopardus said:

“There was one paragraph in your letter I had to call out. Know that I’m an apostate too. So I’m not pointing this out for any reason other than that I think we should have the truth in all matters.”

Leopardus quoted this excerpt from my “Letter to My Mother“:

“Constantine knew this when he created the Roman Catholic Church. He was a pagan, himself, but the relatively new “Christianity” was growing. This early Christianity taught people that they did not need church or priests to commune with God. They were not as controllable with these beliefs. So, Constantine got a committee together to decide on what books would be in the bible. People were much more biddable when they had to follow the priests rules.”

Leopardus goes on to say:

“That’s just wrong all the way through. The Church was already around. Constantine wasn’t in Rome. The decision about what books went into the Bible went on before and after Constantine. The priesthood and ideals of obedience were quite entrenched.

OK. Enough. More history only if you want it.”

See, even when correcting my assertion, this member is still quite civilized. Thank you Leopardus.

Now, I know I had read somewhere about Constantine and Christianity, but it had been so long ago, I could not remember the details. So, I did a search.

First, of course, I went to Wikipedia:

Know Thine Enemy

It is important to know yourself. In fact, I previously talked a little about this in “Know Thyself“. Recently, I have been thinking of another adage – “Know Thine Enemy”. I was reminded of it by all of the controversy over Columbia University having invited the president of Iran to speak there.

It has long been known to military strategists that “knowing your enemy” is just as important as knowing yourself.

“God vs the Bible” – Revisited

A previous post of mine, “A Critical Look at The Bible“, received some critical comments. They got me to thinking. I think I have made one of those “dumb” mistakes I am wont to do. I jumped the gun in posting links to “God vs the Bible”. I have a tendency to do a quick perusal of something, form some opinions, get some ideas and then get excited about it. Although I consider all of my opinions to be transitional, it does not come off that way to others when I jump the gun and present them too soon. I should have waited, before posting anything on the book “God vs the Bible”, until I was ready with my own commentary, arguments, etc. Perhaps my purpose would have been clearer.

I warn you all again, I am not a scholar. If you are looking for scholarly debates and dissertations, please look elsewhere. I am merely an ordinary middle-aged woman on a quest. If you are interested in following my thinking, read on.

Here is my (more considered) response to the first commenter.

Hello world!

According to Wikipedia: “In common parlance, a devil’s advocate is someone who takes a position for the sake of argument. This practice is generally an instructional technique in which one person argues a position that another is less familiar with, thereby teaching proper argument.” (Wikipedia goes on to discuss the origins of this saying if you are interested.) It is also often used to describe someone who takes the opposite side in order to explore the issue more fully. As in “Let me just play Devil’s Advocate here”.

It seems to be my job in life to act as “Devil’s Advocate”.

I often feel compelled to argue for the opposite point of view whenever someone speaks to me in absolutes. I find that things are rarely absolute, making this a red flag for me. It makes me suspect someone is just parroting something they were told or taught. I then ask them why they think that. If they cannot tell me, I become convinced they have swallowed a concept or belief without thinking. I get an urge to shake them and tell them “Think for yourself!” I often feel this way even if I agree with the concept or belief they espouse. As you can imagine, I drive my friends and family crazy!

So, I thought to channel this habit through a blog. Perhaps, I can use it for good. I hope so.

Many do not understand the value of taking the “Devil’s Advocate” role. To argue one side of an argument helps you find the holes in the other side. I do it to myself as well. It is a very useful device in aid of thinking. I learned this technique in High School. I had a Sociology Instructor who made us pick a controversial issue of the time. Then we were told to argue the side opposite our own opinion. It was really tough. At the time, I did not fully appreciate this exercise and the value it has.

I have often been labeled as a rebel. Being a rebel in our society, indeed in most societies, has the reputation of being a bad thing. I have read that there are some few societies that value the rebel. If I remember correctly and the information was accurate, there was a Native American society that valued the “Contrary”. I think “The Rebel” or “Contrary” provides a mirror for us all. For example, I think you understand light better when compared to darkness.

I spent years as a frustrated rebel. I didn’t fully understand how useful it can be. I just felt the need to question and to argue when offered assertions I was expected to believe. Then about 15 years (or so) ago, I had a boss. She was a woman younger than I with much wisdom and consciousness. She taught me the value of being a rebel. She taught me that there is a place for rebels. She a purposefully tried to keep at least one rebel on her team. She taught me that without rebels, we can stagnate as a group. The rebel provides the “Devils Advocate” arguments that others are afraid to speak aloud. She was a brave woman! I know she had her hands full with me, but she channeled my energies well.

No, the “Devil’s Advocate” argument is not always the correct one, but it makes you think. It keeps you on your toes. I can tell you it is a hard row to hoe being the rebel. As a rebel, you face plenty of derision, opposition, resistance, criticism…shall I go on? It’s a rotten job, but someone has to do it!

I have a vision of this blog being a place where I can explore the “Devil’s Advocate” position on various topics, share my opinions and where I get them. I also plan on including excerpts (on occasion) from a text on “Critical Thinking”. I think this skill is sadly lacking in our society. My hope is to help myself and others to develop this skill. I am not a scholar. I am just an ordinary woman who likes to think for herself. I make mistakes. I even make dumb ones at times. So, if you catch me in one, please do point it out. That is how I learn. If you find yourself with an opinion different from mine, by all means, tell me about it and explain why you think the way you do. That way we all can learn.