Out of the Void

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The Garden of Eden

We are told that “God loves us”….

Here is the story of Adam and Eve and “The Garden of Eden”. Most of us know this story, even if we are not Christians. It goes something like this:

One day in the garden, Eve was hanging out, relaxing (or maybe eating, whatever). She gets approached by “The Serpent” who tempts her with the fruit of “The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil”. She eats it and gives some to her mate, Adam. He eats it, too.

“God” (Jehovah) had expressly forbidden them to eat from this tree.

This story has been told to me for the purpose of showing me that women are weaker than men, and that is why we women must obey men. What??? If women are weaker, why did it take a serpent (who must be more than a simple serpent as this one could talk, and knew what the tree offered) to tempt the woman; but it took a “mere” woman to tempt the man??? If I were the serpent and wanted to get both humans to eat from the tree, would I tempt the weaker one or the stronger one first? If I started with the weaker one, could I rely on that one to be able to tempt the stronger one? No, I would start with the stronger one, trusting that the stronger one could indeed tempt the weaker one. Or maybe the man and the woman were equally strong/weak and it did not really matter which one the serpent started with.

I have been told that God gave us free will, yet God forbade us to eat from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil”. How can you have free will or use it, if you know not the difference between good and evil? (as God seems to have intended)

Besides, why did God put us (humans) there with the tree in the first place? If God really did not want us to eat from the tree, why didn’t he protect the tree from us? God is supposed to be all knowing, didn’t he know this would happen? If so, then he was just waiting for the time to come so he could punish us.

If, in the beginning, we did not know the difference between good and evil, how could we know that disobedience was evil? Sounds like a cruel set-up.

Once having eaten from the tree, Adam and Eve knew they were naked and covered themselves. Is nakedness an evil thing? Then why did God leave them naked in the first place? There they were running around naked and did not know it was evil. Or if it was not evil, why did they cover themselves???

I have been told that God created us and that God is perfect. We have minds, therefore God must have given us those minds. But we were not supposed to use them. Why? What did God want? Humans running around naked, not knowing the difference between good and evil? Were we supposed to remain like the rest of the animals?

The bible goes on to say that now we, like God, know the difference between good and evil. If God knows the difference between good and evil, did he choose evil or good? By the way, I wonder where that tree of”Everlasting Life” is…

Maybe it was the serpent who had our best interests at heart – Enlightenment.

Taken literally, this is not an argument for loving God. I for one do not love those who would toy with me in this way. I cannot love a god who would “give” me free will, a mind capable of reason, a source of knowledge (the tree), and then forbid me to use any of it.

As a metaphor, I get not a reason for obedience, but rather, I get a reason to think for myself. I think that we earned our free will by taking the fruit. We chose Enlightenment over blind obedience. That is what pissed God off. Sometimes we must do what is right no matter who gets pissed off at us. We suffered for our disobedience. But then, we suffer for most of our accomplishments.

Taken literally, or as a metaphor, this is one of the stories that many people base their beliefs on. Beliefs inform our thinking. Is this the kind of convoluted thinking we need to run our lives?

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July 25, 2007 - Posted by fireshadow48 | Religion | | 2 Comments

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  1. I stumbled upon your site this morning and was fascinated to read a lot of your opinions. I am not sure what label I could put upon myself, agnostic, pagan, new Age, whatever. I find it very difficult to find a real belief system and so I have spent some time studying some alternate beliefs, eg. Buddhism (Tibetan), the Quabbalah, some “New Age” texts etc. Basically, what I have done is taken a whole bunch of “beliefs’ or texts and theories and used what feels good from several of them. I digress though and just wanted to share something with you that is quite poignant and makes one think a little. I am not a great believer in the whole Christian belief system as I find it all a little bit dogmatic and I kick against anything that tells me that I MUST do things in a certain way. I too believe we all have freedom of choice and the ability to think for ourselves.

    My most straightforward question is how a loving and forgiving God could plat the practical jokes that he seems to play:

    Here follows one of them. To test Abrahams faith, God told him to sacrifice his son:

    —–God told Abraham to take his son Isaac to the land of Moriah and offer him as a burnt offering.
    So Abraham cut the wood for the offering and took two men to accompany him and Isaac close to the place of sacrifice.
    He and Isaac went the rest of the way alone.
    He gave the wood to Isaac to carry and readied himself with fire and a knife.
    When Isaac cried out to his father, where is the lamb for the burnt offering? Abraham replied God will provide the lamb.
    Then he built an altar, bound Isaac, laid him on the altar, and covered him with wood. He was ready to slay his son with the knife.
    But an angel told him to stop. God was satisfied that his fear was strong enough to sacrifice his only son. ————–

    Huh? So, God tells the guy to sacrifice his son, watches as he builds a fire and ties his son down and stands over him with a knife about to stab him and then says “Oh tee hee, it was just a joke, it’s cool that you follow my instructions though”

    What the heck is the son supposed to do? Stand up and tell his dad who was just about to murder him that it is all okay? I just don’t get it, how vengeful must a god be? How does a father/son relationship come back from that?

    I would much rather have a loving and peaceful God who thinks along much less violent and nefarious lines.

    The examples in the bible are too numerous to count and I wonder how people can justify it.

    Any way, that’s just my little rant for the day, I am curious to hear your opinion on it.

    Comment by Sally | August 10, 2007 | Reply

  2. Glad to hear from you! Welcome to the Devil’s Advocate!

    I, too have spent much of my life searching. Probably have read many of the same books you have read! I, too, have pieced together an eclectic collection of insights and opinions from a variety of sources, including Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, various Shamanic traditions, New Age, Tao, and yes, even some things from the Christian’s New Testament. For me, this process is ongoing.

    I have plans to get around to the story of Abraham, Job, and some other biblical references in this blog. Since I am really just getting rolling, it may take some time. I am currently trying to build a little foundation first with a variety of topics. Check back in from time to time, you may find some surprises down the road…I have some truly heretical ideas, I am just not quite ready to share them yet.

    But yes, this is also my dilemma. We get stories like this one about Abraham in the Bible, then we are told that this God is a loving god! Or, remember Job? God boasted to Satan (and some angels) that Job was basically perfect. Satan said sure, but you protect him so he has not really been tested. So God said okay, do what you will with him, just don’t touch the man himself. So Satan arranges for all of Job’s many sheep, servants, and seven children to be killed. Basically, because of a “spitting contest” between Satan and God! Or a bet, if you will. Job maintains his faith and in the end God gives him a new family, sheep and servants. So this is supposed to make everything allright? (I will elaborate in a future blog post.)

    This leaves me with the feeling that even if this God is real, how can I love him? How could I worship someone like that?

    I am also exploring these stories as metaphor and what they may say about our current mindsets as in my blog entry “Liberals, Conservatives and the Garden of Eden“. All part of the journey…

    Correction: Job had seven sons and three daughters, not seven children. Sorry.

    Comment by fireshadow48 | August 10, 2007 | Reply


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